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		<title>By: M.Morgan</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14543</link>
		<dc:creator>M.Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow tha boy is hugh</description>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess we can all benefit from being specific in our comments.

well, the point is this: the obese are here to stay. a good doctor will not blame the patient for their weight, try to find any underlying medical cause (which is not always easy and referral to an endocrinologist should be be hesitated), and offer various conservative to invasive plans to help them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess we can all benefit from being specific in our comments.</p>
<p>well, the point is this: the obese are here to stay. a good doctor will not blame the patient for their weight, try to find any underlying medical cause (which is not always easy and referral to an endocrinologist should be be hesitated), and offer various conservative to invasive plans to help them.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14521</link>
		<dc:creator>M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic because I don&#039;t like tackling obvious arguments made by citizens of the internet... 

&#039;Making the Cut&#039; - Mohammed Khadra, I think you ought to give it a read. Absolutely shockingly good stuff, I blew off a weekend in Gosford to stay at home and read it. If memory serves me correctly, he did his urology training in Victoria. (Yeah, I know, urology. But it&#039;s still pretty amazing.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic because I don&#8217;t like tackling obvious arguments made by citizens of the internet&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8216;Making the Cut&#8217; &#8211; Mohammed Khadra, I think you ought to give it a read. Absolutely shockingly good stuff, I blew off a weekend in Gosford to stay at home and read it. If memory serves me correctly, he did his urology training in Victoria. (Yeah, I know, urology. But it&#8217;s still pretty amazing.)</p>
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		<title>By: virgomonkey</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14511</link>
		<dc:creator>virgomonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mc... I specifically asked you up above (July 11th) if you were talking about pit surgery too, and you replied, &quot;all surgeries&quot;. That&#039;s why I gasped!! 8O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mc&#8230; I specifically asked you up above (July 11th) if you were talking about pit surgery too, and you replied, &#8220;all surgeries&#8221;. That&#8217;s why I gasped!! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt='8O' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: McBloggenstein</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14509</link>
		<dc:creator>McBloggenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgomonkey,
I&#039;m afraid you&#039;ve completely missed my point, again ;)  and explaining your disease to me, again, was a complete waste of time.

Obviously if you have a tumor in your brain, i&#039;m not implying that the doctor should first take a look at your diet.  That&#039;s rediculous and I never said anything like that.  It&#039;s hilarious how you take every comment as if they were talking about you and your disease.

I&#039;m sorry that I didn&#039;t list specific diseases in my original comment so as to avoid confusion from you.  

As Jeffrey said in this very post, and to which I was responding/adding to:  &lt;strong&gt;&quot;only as a last resort should surgery be recommended.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;  I was speaking generally about surgeries for weight loss purposes, as well as those that are performed for non-immediately life threatening problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgomonkey,<br />
I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;ve completely missed my point, again <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   and explaining your disease to me, again, was a complete waste of time.</p>
<p>Obviously if you have a tumor in your brain, i&#8217;m not implying that the doctor should first take a look at your diet.  That&#8217;s rediculous and I never said anything like that.  It&#8217;s hilarious how you take every comment as if they were talking about you and your disease.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that I didn&#8217;t list specific diseases in my original comment so as to avoid confusion from you.  </p>
<p>As Jeffrey said in this very post, and to which I was responding/adding to:  <strong>&#8220;only as a last resort should surgery be recommended.&#8221;</strong>  I was speaking generally about surgeries for weight loss purposes, as well as those that are performed for non-immediately life threatening problems.</p>
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		<title>By: virgomonkey</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14508</link>
		<dc:creator>virgomonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 06:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McBloggenstein, Any surgery? Even pituitary sursgery? Do you know what a pituitary gland is? Do you realize that Cushing&#039;s symptoms are not just weight gain? There&#039;s a vast amount of symptoms that come along with it. The pituitary gland is the mastor gland of the body and when a tumor grows on it, that causes your endocrine system to malfunction. All sorts of problems occur and obesity may not even be one of them and may not even be the largest thing to worry about. In my case, my tumor had been growing. If it gets too large in there, it MUST be removed whether you have Cushings or not. My neurosurgeon was less concerned about my weight and more concerned about me going blind, my almost balding head, among &lt;b&gt;many&lt;/b&gt; other debilitating symptoms. 

You are insane for suggesting that Cushings patients shouldn&#039;t have their tumor removed. I had my surgery done - not for weight loss. In fact, the pituitary surgery is NOT DONE for weight loss at all! 

I can understand surgery&#039;s for the purpose of weight loss ONLY. But pituitary surgery is not done for weight loss! 

Please get your facts straight. Now, that is my tough love. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McBloggenstein, Any surgery? Even pituitary sursgery? Do you know what a pituitary gland is? Do you realize that Cushing&#8217;s symptoms are not just weight gain? There&#8217;s a vast amount of symptoms that come along with it. The pituitary gland is the mastor gland of the body and when a tumor grows on it, that causes your endocrine system to malfunction. All sorts of problems occur and obesity may not even be one of them and may not even be the largest thing to worry about. In my case, my tumor had been growing. If it gets too large in there, it MUST be removed whether you have Cushings or not. My neurosurgeon was less concerned about my weight and more concerned about me going blind, my almost balding head, among <b>many</b> other debilitating symptoms. </p>
<p>You are insane for suggesting that Cushings patients shouldn&#8217;t have their tumor removed. I had my surgery done &#8211; not for weight loss. In fact, the pituitary surgery is NOT DONE for weight loss at all! </p>
<p>I can understand surgery&#8217;s for the purpose of weight loss ONLY. But pituitary surgery is not done for weight loss! </p>
<p>Please get your facts straight. Now, that is my tough love. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: xiaow3i</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14507</link>
		<dc:creator>xiaow3i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McBloggenstein: if I&#039;m not wrong, lap banding is usually an elective form of surgery.

Speaking of &quot;easy&quot; way out, I do know of someone who falls within his normal BMI range, but still takes Xenical so as to be able to eat oily foods and such without putting on weight. I mentioned something called exercise to him, but he reckons that medication gives him the same end point with less effort.

p/s: Jeff, &quot;fatties&quot; is so not politically correct. lol :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McBloggenstein: if I&#8217;m not wrong, lap banding is usually an elective form of surgery.</p>
<p>Speaking of &#8220;easy&#8221; way out, I do know of someone who falls within his normal BMI range, but still takes Xenical so as to be able to eat oily foods and such without putting on weight. I mentioned something called exercise to him, but he reckons that medication gives him the same end point with less effort.</p>
<p>p/s: Jeff, &#8220;fatties&#8221; is so not politically correct. lol <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: McBloggenstein</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14500</link>
		<dc:creator>McBloggenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any surgery.

I agree that in the cases where a person can not mentally control their overeating, and could die at any moment due to heart failure or stopping breathing during sleep, that it could save their life.  Even though their life will be risked even more when they are put under to perform the surgery.

I would speculate that these are not usually the cases in which a lap band or gastric bypass is performed.

Jeffrey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any surgery.</p>
<p>I agree that in the cases where a person can not mentally control their overeating, and could die at any moment due to heart failure or stopping breathing during sleep, that it could save their life.  Even though their life will be risked even more when they are put under to perform the surgery.</p>
<p>I would speculate that these are not usually the cases in which a lap band or gastric bypass is performed.</p>
<p>Jeffrey?</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is being overwieght even if it is hereditery, you still have to consumed excessive amounts of fat food.  The individual bears most of the blame.  As someone who has lost 100 lbs and has kept if off for 2 years if was the most difficult choice I hav ever had to make...Eat the right foods!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is being overwieght even if it is hereditery, you still have to consumed excessive amounts of fat food.  The individual bears most of the blame.  As someone who has lost 100 lbs and has kept if off for 2 years if was the most difficult choice I hav ever had to make&#8230;Eat the right foods!</p>
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		<title>By: virgomonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgomonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McBloggenstein, are you talking about lap band surgery or pituitary removal surgery?

In any event, if lap band surgery can save a loved ones life (not me - I&#039;m not fat enough for that anyway), I like &quot;fast&quot;. That Mexican guy or people THAT fat are ticking time bombs where they can wait a few years to go from being the 1,000 to the 100 pounds that they are supposed to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McBloggenstein, are you talking about lap band surgery or pituitary removal surgery?</p>
<p>In any event, if lap band surgery can save a loved ones life (not me &#8211; I&#8217;m not fat enough for that anyway), I like &#8220;fast&#8221;. That Mexican guy or people THAT fat are ticking time bombs where they can wait a few years to go from being the 1,000 to the 100 pounds that they are supposed to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14488</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i wouldn&#039;t necessarily view medicine and/or surgery as the &quot;easy&quot; or &quot;fast&quot; way out. i think there comes a point when people have to draw the line and accept that they need help. professional help. they got to accept that sometimes, they are NOT the subject matter experts on nutrition, diet, exercise, or medical conditions that could cause obesity.

thanks for stopping by to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i wouldn&#8217;t necessarily view medicine and/or surgery as the &#8220;easy&#8221; or &#8220;fast&#8221; way out. i think there comes a point when people have to draw the line and accept that they need help. professional help. they got to accept that sometimes, they are NOT the subject matter experts on nutrition, diet, exercise, or medical conditions that could cause obesity.</p>
<p>thanks for stopping by to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: McBloggenstein</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/fatties/#comment-14487</link>
		<dc:creator>McBloggenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Virgomonkey ;)

WOW, that guy Frank&#039;s &#039;tough love&#039; even left me feeling a little strange.  

You make a great point I think, Jeffrey, about how a modifiable lifestyle should be looked at first before anything major like surgery or medication is even considered for a disease or pain.

Isn&#039;t it strange how medicine and/or surgery has somehow become viewed as the &quot;easy&quot; way out??  I think that says a LOT about people and our culture in general, that they are so set in their ways and are so unwilling to look back at themselves that they are willing to have someone cut them open to &quot;fix&quot; the problem.  

I think &quot;easy&quot; is being confused with &quot;fast&quot;.

Good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Virgomonkey <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>WOW, that guy Frank&#8217;s &#8216;tough love&#8217; even left me feeling a little strange.  </p>
<p>You make a great point I think, Jeffrey, about how a modifiable lifestyle should be looked at first before anything major like surgery or medication is even considered for a disease or pain.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it strange how medicine and/or surgery has somehow become viewed as the &#8220;easy&#8221; way out??  I think that says a LOT about people and our culture in general, that they are so set in their ways and are so unwilling to look back at themselves that they are willing to have someone cut them open to &#8220;fix&#8221; the problem.  </p>
<p>I think &#8220;easy&#8221; is being confused with &#8220;fast&#8221;.</p>
<p>Good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe you are talking about this blog: http://whyareyousofat.wordpress.com/

Lol, the author just got his first hate mail after 4 months of tough love blogging and he replied it with a post. its interesting to say the least.

well, i think saying the brutal truth comes with its pros and cons. people like Frank Drackman may have unknown motives, e.g. attract visitors. hence the controversial comments.

that said, i think some are still rather reserved to voice their deepest inner thoughts especially after they have built a certain positive reputation in the medical blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe you are talking about this blog: <a href="http://whyareyousofat.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://whyareyousofat.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>Lol, the author just got his first hate mail after 4 months of tough love blogging and he replied it with a post. its interesting to say the least.</p>
<p>well, i think saying the brutal truth comes with its pros and cons. people like Frank Drackman may have unknown motives, e.g. attract visitors. hence the controversial comments.</p>
<p>that said, i think some are still rather reserved to voice their deepest inner thoughts especially after they have built a certain positive reputation in the medical blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: virgomonkey</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your html editor confused my parenthesis for a smiley which was unintended! Sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your html editor confused my parenthesis for a smiley which was unintended! Sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: virgomonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgomonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respectfully disagree with you about people failing to dissent or say &quot;the unpopular&quot; out of fear. Commenters can be anonymous and also do &quot;hit and runs&quot; so that they can avoid any backlash. Next, Rob moderates his comments, so he may have not let some slip through. There are quite a few blogs and websites out there that attract fatophobes. &quot;Why are you so fat?&quot; (a &#039;tough love&#039;) blog designed to &#039;help&#039; fatties lose weight is what is supposed to be called &quot;unpopular&quot; but it&#039;s actually quite the opposite. He has attracted other fattie-haters and the only dissent I see there is my own! And finally, the reason you see so many people agreeing in Rob&#039;s comment section is because the &quot;Cushings Help and Support Forum&quot; linked to it and attracted several Cushings patients!

Keep in mind, the internet is the one of the only places on this planet where people are the most honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respectfully disagree with you about people failing to dissent or say &#8220;the unpopular&#8221; out of fear. Commenters can be anonymous and also do &#8220;hit and runs&#8221; so that they can avoid any backlash. Next, Rob moderates his comments, so he may have not let some slip through. There are quite a few blogs and websites out there that attract fatophobes. &#8220;Why are you so fat?&#8221; (a &#8216;tough love&#8217;) blog designed to &#8216;help&#8217; fatties lose weight is what is supposed to be called &#8220;unpopular&#8221; but it&#8217;s actually quite the opposite. He has attracted other fattie-haters and the only dissent I see there is my own! And finally, the reason you see so many people agreeing in Rob&#8217;s comment section is because the &#8220;Cushings Help and Support Forum&#8221; linked to it and attracted several Cushings patients!</p>
<p>Keep in mind, the internet is the one of the only places on this planet where people are the most honest.</p>
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