Fatties

Much has been said and discussed about the obese. There is no doubt that being clinically obese has its deleterious health effects. Dr Rob at Musings of a Distractible Mind has written a highly popular post “Shame” on a patient who held his head in shame, thinking Dr Rob his family doctor was going to lecture him on his weight and all. His post got highlighted in the NY Times and got a whopping 499 comments!
So here’s what Dr Rob suggests:
Instead of patronizing obese patients with a lecture, I try sympathizing with them. Just because something is simple doesn’t make it easy. How do you quit smoking? You just stop smoking. We should just pull out of Iraq. There should be peace in the middle east. People should stop hurting each other and start being nice. All of these are good ideas, but the devil is in the details. Losing weight is a struggle, and it really helps to have people giving you a hand rather than knocking you down.
I think these are wise words from Dr Rob. Of course, there are two sides to a story. For one, the patient may be obese due to an underlying condition. However, there are some who are not so sympathetic, like Frank Drackman, who said this:
OK I’m gonna piss some people off here, but its Tough Love, and its what everyones really thinking while they’re nodding sympathetically. Its not your Cushings, your slow BMR, your huddled masses, you eat like pigs, and you don’t exercise. I see you guys (How can we miss you) parking in the handicapped or fire lanes, riding your scooters in the grocery store, complaining that the Family Sized bag of Doritos isn’t big enough. Yeah, I know, keep fooling yourselves, you eat like a bird. Yeah right, some huge fucking flightless bird. I go to this little Mom and Pop Pizzeria for lunch, they used to have a Noon Buffet, but had to discontinue it because of the fatties. You’d see these fat bastards take an entire pizza and think it was OK since they had a salad on top of it, and complain that the place didn’t stuff the crust with cheese like Pizza Hut does. I see 2 year old kids who’s BMI doesn’t fit on the page.. So go ahead, have another slice of Cheese Cake, get your 2 am fasting (who am I kidding) random ACTH/Melatonin levels checked. Why run some windsprints when you can get your intestines bypassed.
He mentions some valid points, like the problem of overeating. I’m very sure there are many people out there who feel the same way, but just don’t want to mention it for fear of vitriolic comments hurled their way for saying the unpopular thing. But think about it. Why does Laparoscopic Adjustable Gastric Banding (LABG) work?
Ok, let’s back it up a little. What’s LABG or lap-band?

The name “LAP-BAND” comes from the minimally invasive surgical technique used (laparoscopy) and the silicone gastric band placed around the top of the upper part of your stomach. The LAPBAND® System works by helping you control your food intake and supporting long term, sustainable weight loss. (source: lapband.com). For how well it works, check out Ideas for Surgery’s post.
So there you have it. By limiting the amount of food intake with this ingenious device wrapped around the top part of the stomach, it creates a feeling of fullness in a person. The person doesn’t feel like eating. Eventually the patient loses weight. There is little doubt in the medical community on this procedure’s safety and effectiveness. Here’s a FDA report on Lapband.
Surely, this has shown that overeating is a key problem in causing obesity, and by modifying this variable, weight loss can be achieved. It must be kept in mind that Lapband is only indicated for those who are severely obese (BMI >40 or BMI >35 with one or more co-morbidity, e.g. diabetes, or CVS problems). What about the rest? What really causes obesity?
Obesity is a chronic disease that is complex, multifactorial, and develops from the interaction between genotype and the environment. While there is not a complete understanding of how and why obesity occurs, it is known to involve the integration of social, behavioral, cultural, physiological, metabolic, and genetic factors. (Source: National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute)
This brings me to what yours truly commented at Dr Rob’s post earlier:
i think we should be focusing on the solutions rather than reacting to a provocative comment.. no one is talking about how to deal and manage these patients. as i have above.
if a morbidly obese patient presents, obviously the first thing to do will be to rule out underlying disease like Cushing’s that can explain the weight gain. This may not be easy, but should be done first.
If nothing underlying is causing the weight gain, then perhaps we should look at traditional things like diet and exercise. modifiable lifestyle factors, they call it. these should be monitored over time. a couple of years at least. engage a nutritionist’s help. engage a sports instructor if it helps. dispense lifestyle advice. warn of comorbidities.
only as a last resort should surgery be recommended. lap band surgery is proven to help those who are morbidly obese to lose weight and reduce risk of comorbidities. it is proven guys. no debate over this. so lets focus on what CAN be done for the patients then to start the blaming finger. next we know, we should blame FDA for not banning trans-fats in the entire USA, or commercial food chains like MacDonalds’. Come on, get real.
You can also take Fat Loss Lessons From Manuel Uribe, One of the World’s Heaviest Men, from which the picture above is taken from.
As for me, its certainly cause for concern as Australia has just overtaken USA as the fattest nation in the world. (Source: The Age)
A grim picture is painted of expanding waistlines fuelled by a boom in fast food and a decline in physical activity, turning us into a nation of sedentary couch potatoes.
Those most at risk of premature death are the middle-aged, with 70% of men and 60% of women aged 45 to 64 now classed as obese.
Worrisome to say the least. A big boom for Lap Band Surgery in the future. Perhaps i should specialise in upper GI surgery then. I’ve been interested before this anyway.
That said, i believe that just as obesity is caused by multiple factors, the solution should be multi-factorial as well. Other than surgery, behaviour modification, in terms of diet and exercise, with the help of nutritionists and fitness instructors, can play a major role. Then again, who can afford the help of all these? Making them affordable for the fattening population of Australia will be a challenge for the Department of Health. Let’s see how this goes.













I respectfully disagree with you about people failing to dissent or say “the unpopular” out of fear. Commenters can be anonymous and also do “hit and runs” so that they can avoid any backlash. Next, Rob moderates his comments, so he may have not let some slip through. There are quite a few blogs and websites out there that attract fatophobes. “Why are you so fat?” (a ‘tough love’) blog designed to ‘help’ fatties lose weight is what is supposed to be called “unpopular” but it’s actually quite the opposite. He has attracted other fattie-haters and the only dissent I see there is my own! And finally, the reason you see so many people agreeing in Rob’s comment section is because the “Cushings Help and Support Forum” linked to it and attracted several Cushings patients!
Keep in mind, the internet is the one of the only places on this planet where people are the most honest.
Your html editor confused my parenthesis for a smiley which was unintended! Sorry about that.
i believe you are talking about this blog: http://whyareyousofat.wordpress.com/
Lol, the author just got his first hate mail after 4 months of tough love blogging and he replied it with a post. its interesting to say the least.
well, i think saying the brutal truth comes with its pros and cons. people like Frank Drackman may have unknown motives, e.g. attract visitors. hence the controversial comments.
that said, i think some are still rather reserved to voice their deepest inner thoughts especially after they have built a certain positive reputation in the medical blogosphere.
Hey Virgomonkey
WOW, that guy Frank’s ‘tough love’ even left me feeling a little strange.
You make a great point I think, Jeffrey, about how a modifiable lifestyle should be looked at first before anything major like surgery or medication is even considered for a disease or pain.
Isn’t it strange how medicine and/or surgery has somehow become viewed as the “easy” way out?? I think that says a LOT about people and our culture in general, that they are so set in their ways and are so unwilling to look back at themselves that they are willing to have someone cut them open to “fix” the problem.
I think “easy” is being confused with “fast”.
Good post.
well i wouldn’t necessarily view medicine and/or surgery as the “easy” or “fast” way out. i think there comes a point when people have to draw the line and accept that they need help. professional help. they got to accept that sometimes, they are NOT the subject matter experts on nutrition, diet, exercise, or medical conditions that could cause obesity.
thanks for stopping by to comment.
McBloggenstein, are you talking about lap band surgery or pituitary removal surgery?
In any event, if lap band surgery can save a loved ones life (not me – I’m not fat enough for that anyway), I like “fast”. That Mexican guy or people THAT fat are ticking time bombs where they can wait a few years to go from being the 1,000 to the 100 pounds that they are supposed to be.
The truth is being overwieght even if it is hereditery, you still have to consumed excessive amounts of fat food. The individual bears most of the blame. As someone who has lost 100 lbs and has kept if off for 2 years if was the most difficult choice I hav ever had to make…Eat the right foods!
Any surgery.
I agree that in the cases where a person can not mentally control their overeating, and could die at any moment due to heart failure or stopping breathing during sleep, that it could save their life. Even though their life will be risked even more when they are put under to perform the surgery.
I would speculate that these are not usually the cases in which a lap band or gastric bypass is performed.
Jeffrey?
McBloggenstein: if I’m not wrong, lap banding is usually an elective form of surgery.
Speaking of “easy” way out, I do know of someone who falls within his normal BMI range, but still takes Xenical so as to be able to eat oily foods and such without putting on weight. I mentioned something called exercise to him, but he reckons that medication gives him the same end point with less effort.
p/s: Jeff, “fatties” is so not politically correct. lol
McBloggenstein, Any surgery? Even pituitary sursgery? Do you know what a pituitary gland is? Do you realize that Cushing’s symptoms are not just weight gain? There’s a vast amount of symptoms that come along with it. The pituitary gland is the mastor gland of the body and when a tumor grows on it, that causes your endocrine system to malfunction. All sorts of problems occur and obesity may not even be one of them and may not even be the largest thing to worry about. In my case, my tumor had been growing. If it gets too large in there, it MUST be removed whether you have Cushings or not. My neurosurgeon was less concerned about my weight and more concerned about me going blind, my almost balding head, among many other debilitating symptoms.
You are insane for suggesting that Cushings patients shouldn’t have their tumor removed. I had my surgery done – not for weight loss. In fact, the pituitary surgery is NOT DONE for weight loss at all!
I can understand surgery’s for the purpose of weight loss ONLY. But pituitary surgery is not done for weight loss!
Please get your facts straight. Now, that is my tough love.
Virgomonkey,
and explaining your disease to me, again, was a complete waste of time.
I’m afraid you’ve completely missed my point, again
Obviously if you have a tumor in your brain, i’m not implying that the doctor should first take a look at your diet. That’s rediculous and I never said anything like that. It’s hilarious how you take every comment as if they were talking about you and your disease.
I’m sorry that I didn’t list specific diseases in my original comment so as to avoid confusion from you.
As Jeffrey said in this very post, and to which I was responding/adding to: “only as a last resort should surgery be recommended.” I was speaking generally about surgeries for weight loss purposes, as well as those that are performed for non-immediately life threatening problems.
Mc… I specifically asked you up above (July 11th) if you were talking about pit surgery too, and you replied, “all surgeries”. That’s why I gasped!!
Off topic because I don’t like tackling obvious arguments made by citizens of the internet…
‘Making the Cut’ – Mohammed Khadra, I think you ought to give it a read. Absolutely shockingly good stuff, I blew off a weekend in Gosford to stay at home and read it. If memory serves me correctly, he did his urology training in Victoria. (Yeah, I know, urology. But it’s still pretty amazing.)
i guess we can all benefit from being specific in our comments.
well, the point is this: the obese are here to stay. a good doctor will not blame the patient for their weight, try to find any underlying medical cause (which is not always easy and referral to an endocrinologist should be be hesitated), and offer various conservative to invasive plans to help them.
wow tha boy is hugh