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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://jeffreyleow.wordpress.com/2008/01/28/penile-ablation-and-gender-orientation/#comment-15837</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This case proves that gender is a natural phenomenon, based on the person&#039;s brain structure, and not the genitalia or hormones.  Both were removed from this boy, and he still knew he was a boy.  If it is a matter of nuture, and his gender was changed before he was old enough to define himself as male socially, then why would he want to be male?

Gender is also very difficult to define, as this culture attempts to tell us that there are simply two genders, and no in between, which isn&#039;t true.  Culture says that there are specific behavioral traits that comprise gender, but people are too multi-faceted to simply be lumped into on category or another.  There is a large area between the genders, where we get people with both masculine and feminine traits.

Also, this has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.  I personally know a person, born male, who is transitioning to female and is attracted to women.  A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This case proves that gender is a natural phenomenon, based on the person&#8217;s brain structure, and not the genitalia or hormones.  Both were removed from this boy, and he still knew he was a boy.  If it is a matter of nuture, and his gender was changed before he was old enough to define himself as male socially, then why would he want to be male?</p>
<p>Gender is also very difficult to define, as this culture attempts to tell us that there are simply two genders, and no in between, which isn&#8217;t true.  Culture says that there are specific behavioral traits that comprise gender, but people are too multi-faceted to simply be lumped into on category or another.  There is a large area between the genders, where we get people with both masculine and feminine traits.</p>
<p>Also, this has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.  I personally know a person, born male, who is transitioning to female and is attracted to women.  A</p>
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		<title>By: Jayant Naharwal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayant Naharwal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reproduction at all levels is nothing but mutation (inclusive of cellular division method of reproduction) and it definitely has a lot more hues to it than just back and white or 16 shades of grey. Awareness on this aspect is must have for most grown-ups and the school textbooks desperately need to be updated for the growing-ups. Or else a lot many people are going to continue to live in deep anxiety and remorse and may be tempted to commit needless acts like suicide as in Reimer&#039;s case.

As for being able to see the grey and the other shades, Jeff and the other readers of this comment, I do urge you to ask yourself a question every time you use the word  &#039;BELIEVE&#039;. Just try to scrutinize whether it is &#039;your own belief&#039; or something that you &#039;like to believe&#039; or something that &#039;you were made to believe&#039;. 

Hopefully it&#039;ll help you see the other shades. Just consider my question as a donated cornea and it&#039;ll take time getting accustomed to. The images are going to be hazy and not clear, but it&#039;s just like learning the language of Martians or something. That easy.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reproduction at all levels is nothing but mutation (inclusive of cellular division method of reproduction) and it definitely has a lot more hues to it than just back and white or 16 shades of grey. Awareness on this aspect is must have for most grown-ups and the school textbooks desperately need to be updated for the growing-ups. Or else a lot many people are going to continue to live in deep anxiety and remorse and may be tempted to commit needless acts like suicide as in Reimer&#8217;s case.</p>
<p>As for being able to see the grey and the other shades, Jeff and the other readers of this comment, I do urge you to ask yourself a question every time you use the word  &#8216;BELIEVE&#8217;. Just try to scrutinize whether it is &#8216;your own belief&#8217; or something that you &#8216;like to believe&#8217; or something that &#8216;you were made to believe&#8217;. </p>
<p>Hopefully it&#8217;ll help you see the other shades. Just consider my question as a donated cornea and it&#8217;ll take time getting accustomed to. The images are going to be hazy and not clear, but it&#8217;s just like learning the language of Martians or something. That easy.</p>
<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its called forrest gump suite by alan silvestri i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its called forrest gump suite by alan silvestri i think.</p>
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		<title>By: gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi jeff,

what&#039;s the title of the soundtrack from Forrest Gump and who played it. i would really like to know.

thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi jeff,</p>
<p>what&#8217;s the title of the soundtrack from Forrest Gump and who played it. i would really like to know.</p>
<p>thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeap exactly the kind of comment i&#039;m looking for. :) thanks for your input. you have your points, lets see what others think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeap exactly the kind of comment i&#8217;m looking for. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  thanks for your input. you have your points, lets see what others think.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Cummins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Cummins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, I don&#039;t get your conclusion. The Bruce/Brenda story illustrates precisely that things like gender identity and orientation are NOT amenable to nurture. 

Bruce&#039;s in utero exposure to testosterone may have established a male gender identity for him, but he&#039;s the one who knows what his gender identity is. We know that his gender identity is male *because he tells us.* If someone else has a gender identity that doesn&#039;t match their genitals, we will know that *because they tell us.* Each child is born with a particular cocktail of in utero exposures and genetic predispositions. Bruce&#039;s story is not the only story there is. 

I have no idea why you think there are no shades of grey. Bruce may have had a black-and-white view of his own gender identity, but other people do experience shades of grey or unexpected patterns of white-and-black. 

Homosexuality (since you are conflating it with gender identity, which is actually quite different) exists in animals, by the way. It&#039;s particularly common among rams, who can cause great anguish for farmers trying to persuade them to breed. They&#039;re just not interested. Black and white. No can do. 

Thought experiment. You believe that 1) Gender identity is fixed. Girls are naturally girly, and nothing can change that. Boys are naturally macho, and nothing can change that. 2) Deviations from girls-are-girly boys-are-macho are caused by errors in child-rearing.

Say one of your daughters is a tomboy. Some girls are. Even Money thought that Brenda was a perfectly normal tomboy. She doesn&#039;t like dresses and would rather play with Lego than dolls. She&#039;s physically active. She&#039;s smart and does well in school, but she complains that the other girls are dumb. 

Is this a problem to be cured by forced dress-wearing? Or is that just who your daughter is? Is it okay for your daughter to be a tomboy as long as she also grows up do date boys? Will dating boys prove that she was never really a tomboy, and that you were right to allow her to play with Lego? If she dates girls instead, will that prove that exposure to Lego and permission to wear jeans and play on the girls volleyball team permanently damaged her, and that she should have been forcibly confined? 

Or are you saying that tomboys are figments of my imagination, do not exist anywhere, never have existed, so my question doesn&#039;t make any sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, I don&#8217;t get your conclusion. The Bruce/Brenda story illustrates precisely that things like gender identity and orientation are NOT amenable to nurture. </p>
<p>Bruce&#8217;s in utero exposure to testosterone may have established a male gender identity for him, but he&#8217;s the one who knows what his gender identity is. We know that his gender identity is male *because he tells us.* If someone else has a gender identity that doesn&#8217;t match their genitals, we will know that *because they tell us.* Each child is born with a particular cocktail of in utero exposures and genetic predispositions. Bruce&#8217;s story is not the only story there is. </p>
<p>I have no idea why you think there are no shades of grey. Bruce may have had a black-and-white view of his own gender identity, but other people do experience shades of grey or unexpected patterns of white-and-black. </p>
<p>Homosexuality (since you are conflating it with gender identity, which is actually quite different) exists in animals, by the way. It&#8217;s particularly common among rams, who can cause great anguish for farmers trying to persuade them to breed. They&#8217;re just not interested. Black and white. No can do. </p>
<p>Thought experiment. You believe that 1) Gender identity is fixed. Girls are naturally girly, and nothing can change that. Boys are naturally macho, and nothing can change that. 2) Deviations from girls-are-girly boys-are-macho are caused by errors in child-rearing.</p>
<p>Say one of your daughters is a tomboy. Some girls are. Even Money thought that Brenda was a perfectly normal tomboy. She doesn&#8217;t like dresses and would rather play with Lego than dolls. She&#8217;s physically active. She&#8217;s smart and does well in school, but she complains that the other girls are dumb. </p>
<p>Is this a problem to be cured by forced dress-wearing? Or is that just who your daughter is? Is it okay for your daughter to be a tomboy as long as she also grows up do date boys? Will dating boys prove that she was never really a tomboy, and that you were right to allow her to play with Lego? If she dates girls instead, will that prove that exposure to Lego and permission to wear jeans and play on the girls volleyball team permanently damaged her, and that she should have been forcibly confined? </p>
<p>Or are you saying that tomboys are figments of my imagination, do not exist anywhere, never have existed, so my question doesn&#8217;t make any sense?</p>
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